Cool down bulbreedie, cool down!

Posted by Paarlbul on 24 October 2012 07:20

Muzi As ek by Loftus is dan probeer ek my voorstel hoe jy moet lyk - dan sien ek die ou met die blougesig, ring in die neus en horings op die kop. Dan vertroos ek my self en dink ja-nee dit is soos Muzi lyk was soveel nonsens skryf. Jy is regtig gepik met sekere speleres. Ag moontlike dink jy die BB lees die blog en hulle sal na jou luister - probeer weer ou maat!!!

Posted by bulbreedie on 23 October 2012 16:37

Die ouens hier in die Kaap praat klaar van die Driekuns Saterdag - mag ons Juniors dit vir hulle bederf!

Posted by Blou Vlam on 23 October 2012 13:21

We need a brave coach with vision and some Balls! That Sharks backline is pretty young, but it doesn't matter. Also WP have used very young players in the backline with great effect. The senior side should be watching videos of the O'21's and Craven Week side and feel embarrased!

Posted by Blou Vlam on 23 October 2012 13:19

Sadly the Bulls pecking order at 10 at the moment looks something like this....
1.Morne Steyn
2.Louis Fouche
3.Lionel Cronje
4.Tony Jantjies
5.Francois Tredoux
Oh dear me if we want to play running rugby then this needs to change.

I'd go with
1.Lionel Cronjé
2.Jurgen Visser
3.Tony Jantjies
4.Morne Steyn
5.Francois Tredoux.
6.Joshua Stander
7.Tiaan Schoeman
8.Willie du Plessis

9.Louis Fouche is very talented at kicking the ball but when it comes to running rugby sjoe he can not read the game.Please go back to the leopards thank you.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 13:04

Vodacom backline: 15. Brits, 14. Skosan, 13. Swanepoel/van Rensburg, 12. Bosch, 11. Ismael, 10. Pollard, 9 van Rooyen, bench: Schoeman/Jantjies, Temperman and Swanepoel/van Rensburg. In two teams I've excluded Morne, Wynand, Zane and Akona. That's how many great young players we have! I will make room for Mapoe in the S15 side - I've always been scared of him when he plays against the Bulls. Unfortunately we are too conservative and stick with players out of form who've served well in the past. We will lose young players and keep on being a laughing stock.

Posted by Blou Vlam on 23 October 2012 13:02

@Muzi, I'll support your team choices, not such a joke by far. I like your choice of Jan Serfontein at outside centre, kzn bull also suggested that a while ago. Your scrumhalve in the Vodacom Cup, Rudi Van Rooyen? You didnt mean Rudi Page?

Posted by BillyO on 23 October 2012 13:01

@ GeenBloutjieNetBlou
Thanks for understanding sir i really don't mind what bulbreedie says it's nothing new i'm used to it haha.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:54

@Blou Vlam
"I really think some of the old dogs have had their day.They won't adapt well to a new game plan"
That is why i chose that team on post 20 IMHO Akona and Kirchner are sadly a little slow.......

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:49

@bloukaap2
Agree with you Bulls should keep Tony,Lionel,Pollard let's be honest guys Morne is going nowhere.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:46

Paarlbul, I will show Kirschner the door as well. You're forgetting Adendorf at 6, Liebenberg probably more a 7. I will also show W Steenkamp the door. He has never delivered any of the promise he showed as a Junior Bull. He reminds me of Shaddow who's still mediocre at WP. We have enough good players to have a young but excellent Vodacom Cup side. Winning that trophy is a good stepping stone. JJ Engelbrecht will be great if he gets enough time at wing. How about 15. Beyers, 14 JJ, 13. Small Smith 12. Venter, 11. Basson, 10. Visser, 9. Vermaak with Hougaard, Cronje and Serfontein on the bench to get game time each game! I really think some of the old dogs have had their day. They won't adapt well to a new gameplan. We should have been working with this combo in the CC already, but we've wasted that opportunity.

Posted by Blou Vlam on 23 October 2012 12:45

@Paarlbul
IMHO if we do not give Serfontein,Small Smith,Janse van Rensburg and co a chance soon they will pack their bags and go.
Look what happened to Stander he was clearly unhappy being at the back of the pecking order.
Dries Swanepoel is already breaking down he has a long way to go.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:44

@bulbreedie
If i'm a joke then let me see your team einstein......

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:41

@ Blyblou
Ja...i made at stupid mistake haha for the vodacom cup team the 3 locks would be.
4.Mike Williams
5.Wilhelm Steenkap

bench:

18.Marvin Orie

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 12:35

I'll select a squad of 30 players for the S/15 and give all of them gametime, because the S15 is a gruelling afare and we do have good enough players. We must however get the RIGHT coach!!!!
1 - Mellet, Greyling (he needs awake call) Backup D Steyn ,Schoeman for later
2 - Mbonambi, Ralipelle, - Backup Visagie
3 - Kirsten, v/d Merwe - backup Kruger
4 - Flip, P Willemse - backup M Williams
5 - J Kruger, W Steenkamp - backup Orie
6 - Dewald, Stegman - backup - Liebenberg (lots of potential)
7 - Cook, J Potgieter (must be trained to focus)
8 - Spies, Botha
9 - Vermaak, Hougaard - let then play their natural game (Hougaard is not going to stay too long)
10 - Beyers, Visser - newcomer Pollard - (Cronje is not going to stay too long - hys g..tvol)
11 - Basson, JJ, Ismael (he's got alot of talent - big and strong)
12 - Venter, Serfontein
13 - Olivier, Small-Smith - backup Swanepoel
14 - Ndungane, Mapoe, Skosan
15 - Kirschner, Brits
Lots of talent - we just need to adapt to new gameplan and have ATTITUDE.

Posted by Paarlbul on 23 October 2012 12:27

Muzi #20 and #21: What about Dawie Steyn? Do you really think Schoeman is better than him?

Ek het ook Saterdag se wedstryd weer gekyk. En ek is selfs meer oortuig dat Mark Lawrence een van sy swakste wedsrtyde in sy loopbaan vir laaste gebêre het. Hy het die Bulle eenvoudig verhoed om enige momentum te kry. Melet, Jeandre Kruger en Steyn se swak dissipline was baie duidelik suiwer frustrasie.

En dan, Heyneke Meyer se twee swakste kopies van die afgelope jaar was ook die Bulle se twee swakste spelers Saterdag op die veld. JJ Engelbrecht was shocking en Jacques Potgieter is sekerlik die mees oorskatte rugbyspeler in Pretoria. Vodacombeker/Klubvlak op sy heel beste!

Posted by Houtoog on 23 October 2012 12:14

Muzi

You are definitely a rookie-pusher and out of the box guy! I like it.

My view on Jan Serfontein: Forget about playing him on 13. Jan must be close to the game and is a decision maker. The Bulls are looking there at Mapoe, Small Smith and JJ. JJ is very inconsistent in terms of pressure and sometimes like the Lions and Province games, he comes through remarkably, but other times, like Saturday, he chokes. JJ needs time on the wing but you need to play him from the shoulder of the scrummie. He is very dangerous and gains a lot of field position. he serves as a third ball carrier. Saturday he made a clomplete hash of it. It was his worse game I've seen him played, but he is not finished. th Bulls just need to make their minds up of what they want to do with JJ. As for Venter - no centre would look good with the amount and quality ball that our CC team recieved this season. Venter is being moulded into a stampkar ball carrier. he has no choice.

Handre Pollard needs to be managed. he is currently recovering from an injury. If you going to force hm to paly superrugby in 2013 he will be finished for three seasons. Pollard is in terms of weight and strenght and intelligence defintely super material, but 2013 will not be his year, maybe for Currie Cup.

Some one will fall away from the Bulls over next season: Blommetjies, Mastriet, Beyers or Visser. Both Blommetjies and Mastriet impressed me a lot in the CC. Beyers had one on one off, but I agree he is better at full back and I will include hom as a second kicker.

I don't think Mellet is better than Wors, and I am not sure about Marcel vd Merwe. he didn't impressed me that much at the Cheeetahs, not as dominating as I hoped. I watched him closely. good ball carrier though.

My view is that Tony Jantjies can't be worse than Fouche. He has come through the ranks and give him a chance, and also bloody Lionel Cronje. What on earth are we creating at the bulls with the nr. 10's. The Cronje debate is a real shocker and embarrasmment to the coaching management. Morne Steyn is suffering from severe mental fatigue and his was relentlessly applied over a period of 3 seasons.

Posted by bloukaap2 on 23 October 2012 12:01

Muzi, I am sure you complied your teams in a hurry, because a few names are forgotten. What I would like to mention first though and where I disagree, are the flyhalves. Morne is past his sell by date. The Bulle MUSt move forward and with Morne and Fouche that will not happen. There is quite a list of players that can grow into this position - Cronje, Visser, Pollard, Schoeman (his better than I initialy thought)
However somebody that they should try out as flyhalf, which have all the attributes - goalkicking, out of hand kicking, speed of the mark, aggressive defense, playing to ball carriers, reading of the game and somebody that might give the Bulls a balance of attacking and kicking rugby - Ulrich Beyers.
In addition to that is that the 2 position he played so far is heaps of other talent:
Fullback - Visser, Riaan Brits, Blommetjies, Kirschner.
Outside centre: Small-Smith, Dries Swanepoel, Skosan, and then a big prospect for not to far future - Rohan Janse van Rensburg!! All young players but players that are GOOD enough!

Posted by Paarlbul on 23 October 2012 11:40

Dankie GBNB - het bietjie vergeet van Mapoe, hy is dalk die oplossing vir volgende jaar. En jy maak 'n goeie punt oor Akona - en oor @25!

Posted by Blyblou on 23 October 2012 11:20

@25 bulbreedie Hier word ons nie toegelaat om sommer sulke ongekwalifiseerde stellings te maak nie ou maat. Jy is absoluut regverdig om met Muzi te verskil, maar jy het glad nie die reg om ons te laat wonder waaroor gaan jou argument nie. So kom nou, gee ons die redes hoekom Muzi die pot mis sit en gee ons jou alternatiewe! Dis waaroor hierdie blog gaan. Ek moet net bylas dat in die ruk wat ek al die blog volg het Muzi baie goeie argumente en het hy al 'n respek by die ander gekry oor sy opinie, want hy gee konkrete antwoorde en argumente. So, hier is jou uitdaging: Gee ons rede om jou stelling te respekteer - anders is dit maar slegs 'n onbesonne uitlating...

Posted by GeenBloutjieNetBlou on 23 October 2012 11:13

Muzi, you left out Jurgen Visser out of both teams? Also Lionel Mapoe who is on loan from the Lions and probably the best straight running back in SA? You've also got Jacques du Plessis in the starting lineup and bench - I'm sure you can find a place for Mike Williams?

Posted by Blou Vlam on 23 October 2012 11:08

@24 Blyblou Maybe the answer is Lionel Mapoe on outside centre for now. He is also a loan agreement player that I don't see anywhere in Muzi's 2 teams.

@20 and 21 Muzi I see Akona Ndungane does not feature anywhere too. The BBRU has extended his contract for antother 2 years, so they reckon he will be used somewhere..... I personally thought he might be moving to the Kings next year as the Eastern Cape is his home turf....

Posted by GeenBloutjieNetBlou on 23 October 2012 11:08

Muzi Jy is 'n joke met jou spanne. Word wakker jou koffie work koud!!

Posted by bulbreedie on 23 October 2012 10:54

Like your teams Muzi. In your S15 team my only concern would be the centre pairing - having two incide centres. But I don't reaaly have a good alternative - since we never had a real outside centre since Jaco Pretorius started having injury problems. JJ Engelbrect definitely does not have the hands or defence to be used there. I have hope that Small Smith will become the real deal, but I will also let him play one year in the Vodacom team before he moves to the S15 side.

In your Vodacom team I would be tempted to move Wiaan Liebenberg to 7 and play Shaun Adendorf at 6 - exactly like in the current u/21 squad. Hattingh didn't impress me in the couple of games I saw him play. And then I would make room for Franco Mostert in the Vodacom side - not sure whether either Orie or Du Plessis (who features in your run-on side and on the bench) are currently better than him.

Posted by Blyblou on 23 October 2012 09:59

@Blou Bul Kaapstad

It's not about living in the past where was the Flip and Juandre from Dunedin at the tank huh ?
Juandre and Flip did well for the boks but on saturday they were totally outplayed by young Marais and Bresler.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 09:33

The Blue Bulls need to develop Handre Pollard not break him down he's a special player.Look what happened to Johan Goosen.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 09:30

The Vodacom Cup team.

1.Dean Greyling - sadly he's a liability he needs a wake up call.
2.Bongi Mbonambi
3.Werner Kruger - let's be honest he's not the answer at tighthead for the Bulls.
4.Jacques du Plessis
5.Wilhelm Steenkamp
6.Wiaan Liebenberg
7.Grant Hattingh
8.Jean Cook
9.Rudi van Rooyen - this kid can jol
10.Tony Jantjies
11.Sampie Mastriet
12.Francois Venter
13.William Small Smith
14.Clayton Blommetjies'
15.Zane Kircher

16.Jason Thomas
17.Juan Schoeman
18.Marvin Orie
19.Jacques du Plessis
20.Lohan Jacobs
21.Handre Pollard
22.Travis Ismael

Sadly Zane and Fouche miss out i have doubts about Wepener's long term future with the Bulls.Lions Callie Visagie has to play in the match 22 that's the loan agreement with the lions.

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 09:28

Let's see how my super rugby team would look like in 2013.

1.Morne Mellet
2.Chilliboy Ralepele
3.Marcell vd Merwer
4.Flip vd Merwer
5.Juandre Kruger
6.Dewaldt Potgieter
7.Arno Botha
8.Pierre Spies - Captain
9.Jano Vermaak
10.Morne Steyn
11.Bjorn Basson
12.Wynand Olivier
13.Jan Serfontein
14.JJ Engelbrecht
15.Ulrich Beyers

16.Callie Visagie
17.Frik Kirsten
18.Paul Willemse
19.Jacques Potgieter
20.Deon Stegmann
21.Francois Hougaard
22.Lionel Cronje

Posted by Muzi on 23 October 2012 09:15

Goeie agterlyn @15. Met Hougaard en Jurgen Visser op die bank lyk dit al klaar beter. Ek hou baie van Visser. Hy is 'n voetballer. Kan losskakel, vleuel en heelagter speel. Sal hom graag op losskakel wil sien. Net die regte afrigter kry en dit sal al klaar beter wees volgende jaar.
Ek sien by 'n vorige berig dat daar nog steeds mense is wat P Spies afskryf. Ek moet se dat al die 8ste manne wat in die toetse gebruik was, was nie beter as Spies nie. Vermeulen is glad nie so wats wonders as wat die mense se nie. Hy verdedig miskien met hart maar ek persoonlik dink hy is nie in Spies se klas nie. Gebruik vir Spies reg en hy sal baie beter vertoon. Alberts kan naby die vaste fasette die werk doen en gebruik vir Spies met uitgewerkte bewegings, bv steelkant op volle vaart of op buite senter as die binnesenter die bal kan offload in die tackle. Ek het spesifiek die 8ste manne dopgehou en Spies was op sy swakste beter as die huidiges wat daat is. K Daniel het dit ook nie gemaak in die Boktrui nie - op 8. Hoop nie Spies gaan weg nie want dan is dit nog 'n speler met ervaring wat ons verloor.
Enige iemand se gras wat ek Saterdag middag kan kom sny????

Posted by Bul van die Kaap on 23 October 2012 09:06

@Nitronic, stem 110% saam met jou! My moed sak sommer as ek daaraan dink. Ek was so opgewonde oor Serfontein na die 0/20 RWC! Die Bulle wil net soos Heyneke eerder heelagters en vleuels op senter gebruik as senters self. Bygese ek dink ook as ons wedstrydplan verander sal WO,JJ en Venter ook baie beter lyk!!

Kom ons hoop die afrigters en bestuur is bereid om te verander.

Posted by Bullebakkies on 23 October 2012 08:40

@15 nice agterlyn ek sal roteer tussen Blommetjies en JJ op vleuel

Posted by Nitronic on 23 October 2012 08:33

gaan arno onder 21 speel saterdag?

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 08:29

dink net 9 jano 10 pollard 12 olivier 13 serfontein 11 bason 14 jj 15 beyers

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 08:27

akona word ook nou oud sal jj op vlueel speel sy posisie

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 08:26

@11 & 12 stem 100% ons het nodig om aan te pas en met Morne/Fouche/Venter/JJ gaan dit nie gebeur nie

Posted by Nitronic on 23 October 2012 08:14

dan kan serfontuin ook better wees want hulle ken mekaar-het al saam gespeel

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 08:02

wil ook pollard sien in die no 10 truie met sy hardloop rugby kans gee om sy spel styl te speel

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 08:01

@9 ek ook, hopelik los hy ons probleme in die voorry op.

Posted by Nitronic on 23 October 2012 07:28

die rus sal die bulle goed doen hulle kan met nuwe vuur trug wees volgende jaar-sien uit na daai marcel vd merwe in n blou bull trui

Posted by louisk on 23 October 2012 07:23

Soos Dewald getweet het:

It felt like we had to overcome every conceivable challenge, but we never gave up

Posted by FRANNABUL on 23 October 2012 07:00

Dinsdag na die wedstryd en dis nou tyd vir nugtere denke, die babbelas het gewyk en die emosies is amper terug na normaal....:)

Dit was beslis 'n jaar wat alles teen ons was en op die ou einde kon ons nog steeds in die S15 en Currie Cup in die uitspeel wedstryde speel. Veral in die S15 was dit teen alle verwagtinge in, meeste mense het gedink dat ons nie hoer as 8 ste sou eindig nie.

Ons moes die seisoen sonder die volgende wereld sterre begin:

Vic Matfied
Fourie du Preez
Bakkies Botha
Danie Rossouw
Gurthro Steenkamp

Sommige spanne soos die Sharks het net 'n speler soos John Smit verloor - 4 de beste haker in SA wat sukkel om in Europa die begin span te haal.

Daar by verloor ons halfpad deur S15 ook ons Direkteur Afrigting, Heyneke Meyer aan die Bokke. Saam met ons voorspeler afrigter Johan van Graan en verdedigings afrigter Mc Farland.

En om alles te kroon loop ons ons vas in Mark Lawrence in sy laaste game met 'n punt om te bewys.

Ek soek nie verskonings nie, ek plaas net dinge in perspektief. Ek glo nog steeds Pine Pienaar is nie opgewasse vir die job nie. Ons moet iemand kry met 'n track record, nie iemand wat nog net op junior rugby vlak afgerig het nie.

Wat van Jimmy Stonehouse, verrig wondere by die Pumas met 'n spul onbekende spelers en 'n klein begroting? Nollis Marais het self by Tuks goeie werk gedoen en sal 'n goeie hulpafrigter wees.

Posted by FRANNABUL on 23 October 2012 06:57

@5 stem saam jou, om te dink Lambie het so te se niks minute se spel agter die rug by die Bokke en hier kom hy word in die lossskakel posisie ingegooi en wys Morne eintlik wat n losskakel is. BRAVO Lambie!!

Hougaard op die oomblik is meer n las as n bate vir ons span. Twyfel of hy nog langer as n jaar by Bulle gaan wees. WP, Sharks sal sy telent kan gebruik met hulle speel patroon. Ek sal glad nie verbaas wees as hy terug keer Wp toe nie.

Soos wat dit nou lyk sien ek groot probleme volgende jaar:

1) Ons voorry sal weereens die meeste strafskoppe afstaan
2) Ons beste loosie gaan bank sit (Arno)
3) Jong opkomende briljante senters gaan nie speel kans kry nie, dan sit ons weer met JJ. Venter en WO.
4) Ons losskakels gaan die bal heeltyd wegskop.
5) ONS GAMEPLAN GAAN WEER DIESELFDE WEES, WANT DIE BBM IS TE BANGGAT OM PINE EN FRANS VAS TE VAT

Posted by Nitronic on 23 October 2012 06:20

het vroeer vanaand dit aan myself gedoen om weer die semi te kyk.

ons was nog in die game met die telling op 3-15 en die Bulle het beslis nie gaan le nie. mark lawrence het die simpelste beslissings geblaas wat ons telkens van momentum beroof het. Inteendeel, Arno Botha het baie goeie veld gewen vir ons. Lawrence se beslissings maka nie sin nie, want dieselfde bewegings later in die wedtsryd het hy wel teen die sharks geblaas. Ek is soooooo bly Lawrence tree nou uit. wat 'n p$#@%l.

Die probleem tweedens, en eintlik die grootste, was ons agterspelers was eenvoudig hopeloos! Jy kan onder bedreiging of terugveg, of vlug, of vries. Die agterspelers het Saterdag gevries. Hougaard wat twee keer vasskop teen 'n opponent en JJ wat elke liewe bal na sy kant toe aanslaan, tackels mis, ens. Ons agterste drie het een van hul swakste wedstryde nog onder die hoe bal gehad. Almal kla oor die skoptaktiek, maar mense dis wat die Sharks gedoen het teen ons en ons het gevries onder die druk. Bjorn Basson het elke keer verkeerde posisie ingeneem en die Sharks het hom gelees.

Lambie, is volgens my, die beste nr. 10 in SA.

Posted by bloukaap2 on 22 October 2012 22:36

Wens eintlik die senior manne Gan saam sodat julle kan Sien hoe lyk en voel dit by 'n finaal......dink hulle het vergeet.

Posted by Andre Jnr on 22 October 2012 22:22

Ons sal vir julle kyk en ondersteun, aan die hoof span gaan rus nou en kom weer sterk terug volgende jaar

Posted by Corneluis on 22 October 2012 16:47

Gaan maak ons trots Bulletjies!!

Posted by Bloubosvelder on 22 October 2012 16:44

het my kaartjies gekoop hoofsaaklik om ons onder 19 en 21 te gaan ondersteun. wat die groot finaal betref sal ek eerder sien die sharks wen as wp

Posted by kzn bul on 22 October 2012 15:53